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Session Start: Fri Jul 26 03:05:09 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [03:05] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[03:05] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[06:47]<@Mulreay> I have a keyboard whoot
[06:47]<@BC_Programming> nice
[06:52]<PCdoc> I have a mouse woot
[06:52]<PCdoc> whoot *
[06:52]<@BC_Programming> Civ V confuzzles me
[06:53]<@Mulreay> Civ 4 is better
[06:54]<@BC_Programming> Now Rise of Nations, that was an interesting game
[06:54]<@Mulreay> Never played
[06:55]<@Mulreay> Looks awesome
[06:55]<@BC_Programming> I started Mass Effect yesterday also
[06:55]<@Mulreay> I've completed ME 3
[06:55]<@Mulreay> never played the others
[06:56]<@BC_Programming> from what I understand if there is save data for the previous games it carries over to the sequels or something
[06:56]<@Mulreay> Yeah elements do apparently
[06:57]<@BC_Programming> it's funny because my shepherd has a passing resemblance to Kate Mulgrew
[07:01]<@Mulreay> Lol, how so?
[07:02]<@BC_Programming> Red hair and all that... not quite the same but enough to tickle me
[07:03]<@Mulreay> heh
[07:04]<@BC_Programming> Start a mission "Set phasers to stun"
[07:04]<@BC_Programming> "what" "never mind"
[07:04]<@Mulreay> heh
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> I like those giant soft spoken aliens, can't remember what they're called
[07:05]<@BC_Programming> kinda look like buffalo
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[10:07]<@Mulreay> Transferring 56.2gb from the external to the laptop takes a looooooooong time it would seem
[10:08]<@Mulreay> And that comment just pushed me back 2 minutes.. GODDAMMIT
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[12:08]<@Mulreay> Lol craig got hits http://www.spaceandscience.co.uk/weblinksother/40-other-websites-of-interest
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[12:14]<@Mulreay> If you can make a difference in the life of one person, it probably should be you.
[12:19]<+Tux2> lol
[12:21]<@Mulreay> My last thought....
[12:22]<@Mulreay> The people who think the world will end all at once will be largely responsible for it ending gradually.
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[13:46]<@Calum> hey guys
[14:14]<@BC_Programming> hey peeps
[14:15]<@BC_Programming> Got an interview on Tuesday :D
[14:15]<@Mulreay> cool
[14:15]<@Mulreay> good luck
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> They just phoned me
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> You have toe be careful answering phones at 2AM and appearing sleepy
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> 2PM rather
[14:18]<@Mulreay> A guy phoned me last week but my Mum and Dad told me to report these guys.. he stopped phoning me but his friend keeps telling me 'if you push this we will come and get you' I'm unsure what to do
[14:22]<@Mulreay> He does have a slight 'indian cast' to his voice
[14:22]<@BC_Programming> it's PCDOc!
[14:22]<@Mulreay> lol
[14:22]<@BC_Programming> hmm now I have to figure out and place when I sent these guys a resume
[14:22]<@Mulreay> That bastard
[14:23]<@BC_Programming> These peeps
[14:23]<@BC_Programming> http://www.mainframeassociates.com/
[14:23]<@BC_Programming> Now using my expert sleuthing skills I've determined that they likely deal with mainframes
[14:24]<@BC_Programming> I know, it's an impressive bit of research that took
[14:26]<@BC_Programming> oooh
[14:26]<@BC_Programming> I sent them a letter of inquiry
[14:26]<@BC_Programming> lol
[14:26]<@BC_Programming> it was one that I goofed on too ,and attached completely the wrong files
[14:27]<@BC_Programming> OK time to focus on something: new site design is in order methinks
[14:35]<@Mulreay> I did punch a few clicks on your ads
[14:35]<@Mulreay> Sorry if my bad
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> it OK
[14:40]<@BC_Programming> lol my MP3 player is such a troll
[14:40]<@BC_Programming> it's been pluggedi n for like three days
[14:40]<@BC_Programming> and I just unplugged it
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> and it's all "Low battery, Please Charge"
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> What do you want from me MP3 player
[14:41]<@BC_Programming> then it crashed and rebooted and decided it was full
[14:42]<+Craig> You mean these guys BC? http://www.pcdoc.com.au/
[14:42]<@BC_Programming> huh? Oh no when I said PCDoc I was responding to Mulreay
[14:42]<+Craig> Oh :P
[14:42]<+Craig> Thanks for the Hits there Mulreay,
[14:42]<@BC_Programming> "Mainframe Associates"
[14:43]<@BC_Programming> http://www.mainframeassociates.com/
[14:43]<+Craig> Yeah I saw that after I asked... :P
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking it was recruiter but he has a @mainframeassociates address so it's probably first party
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> recruiters are kinda annoying
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> "well, we see you listed C# as something you have experience in, well we have good news, there's an opening for Sheep Farmer"
[14:45]<+Craig> Well, he could be working as a contractor, and if they are doing things right, then they would always give out an internal E-mail for hiring.
[14:45]<@BC_Programming> true
[14:45]<@BC_Programming> I sent them a letter of inquiry to them a while ago
[14:45]<+Craig> Ahh
[14:46]<+Craig> Well I hope you get it, I would be happy to hear that your working again. :)
[14:46]<@BC_Programming> May 2nd... then I realized I attached the wrong files, corrected that and sent another and was like "well so much for that one" lol
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[14:46]<+Craig> Oh yeah, I remember that one, :P
[14:47]<+Craig> I remember saying something along the lines of, you never know :P
[14:47]<@BC_Programming> alright Nostradamus
[14:47]<@BC_Programming> lol
[14:47]<@Mulreay> heh
[14:47]<+Craig> I only said you never know, I wasn't predicting the future :P
[14:49]<@BC_Programming> You predicted that I never know
[14:49]<@BC_Programming> and so far it's been true- I cannot predict the future lol
[14:50]<@Mulreay> One will never win but I know darwin was correct.. simple fact hense I know the future of the human kind. We will follow a tract of certainty.
[14:52]<@BC_Programming> When will we invent ridable toasters
[14:52]<+Craig> Hahahaha, I went to May 2nd in my logs and I don't see anything about Mainframe associates, but I was sure I remember talking to you about a double e-mail.
[14:52]<+Craig> Anyway, doesnt matter, glad you got the opportunity.
[14:53]<@BC_Programming> maybe it was february 5th
[14:53]<@BC_Programming> lol
[14:53]<@BC_Programming> no mm/dd/yyyy 05/02/2013
[14:55]<@Mulreay> God had his chance, he had his moment to ruin the earth and he did well.. now it's the turn of scientists.. we will tell you the truth not a fake wonder person who you beleave will 'save you'. Nobody needs saving my friend. We just need to understand.
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[15:00]<@BC_Programming> sorry I didn't realize calendar dates would result in a contentious debate
[15:00]<@Mulreay> When I die soon, I will just be dead for eternity.. and I'm happy with that. Yes it's not nice but I don't need to make up stories to make myself feel betterr. For billions of years I didn't 'know' reality.. and for the next eternity I won't know them billions of years either
[15:01]<@Mulreay> I was nothing before I was born and I will be nothing after
[15:03]<@Mulreay> You and I will literally turn off
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[15:06]<@Mulreay> For eternaty you will literally have nothing you will just 'stop' this channel will 'stop' we will all end 'full stop' no after life we will just end.. and you know what we won't care because we stopped
[15:07]<@Mulreay> It's the sad truth
[15:09]<@Mulreay> The Earth has been around for overt 4 billion yrs and I will get over not knowing the next 4 billion years
[15:10]<@Mulreay> OK I'm done, sorry for the rant
[15:10]<@BC_Programming> I must have missed the part that segwayed into that
[15:11]<@Mulreay> My bad
[15:11]<@BC_Programming> it looks like calendar short formats are a point of contention lol
[15:11]<@Mulreay> heh
[15:12]<@Mulreay> It just baffles me that we still have people that believe that the Earth/Universe is a few thousand years old.. I find it painful
[15:14]<@BC_Programming> I find it painful watching quotes get used out of context and be paraphrased but unattributed.
[15:16]<@Mulreay> Who are you referecing too?
[15:30]<@Mulreay> My bad
[15:31]<@Mulreay> I hate women because If women didn't want to be sexually harassed they shouldn't have been born with intelligence, self-respect and dignity.
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[15:32]<@Mulreay> You must get that
[15:33]<@Mulreay> God told me to say that
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[19:01]<@Mulreay> camerongray you in?
[19:01]<+camerongray> For a bit yeah
[19:02]<+camerongray> Just moved, Virgin are twats so currently using my phone for internet until next week!
[19:03]<@Mulreay> High five my friend, I may be away from chat for a while but as a fellow brit you are a good friend.
[19:04]<+camerongray> lol
[19:06]<@Mulreay> I will be away day after tomorrow for a day or two
[19:07]<+camerongray> Ahh cool, anything fun?
[19:09]<@Mulreay> But I'm to leave tomorrow morning so, were going to red pike in the lake district.. tents the works.. camping
[19:13]<@Mulreay> Only going for a day, aparently we can go mountain biking.. not sure about that
[19:13]<+camerongray> Ahh nice!
[19:14]<@Mulreay> No not nice my friends have these really top end bikes and they think it's cool to just go nuts down the mountain
[19:15]<@Mulreay> I'm gonna go bouldering instead
[19:17]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[19:17]<@Mulreay> You may here about me on the BBC.. 'A man had fallen to his death, but his friends are breaking records down the pass'
[19:17]<+camerongray> hehehe
[19:18]<+camerongray> I've done bouldering but inside over crashmats
[19:19]<@Mulreay> Could you run down a mountain on a bike? The stuff they do scares me
[19:19]<+camerongray> I have gone super fast down a hill on my bike before, not intentionally though :P
[19:19]<@Mulreay> lol
[19:19]<+camerongray> Ended up in the gorse
[19:20]<@Mulreay> I would do it but I know I would end up dead... irony follows me
[19:20]<+camerongray> Been here before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_International_Climbing_Arena
[19:20]<+camerongray> Not died yet
[19:21]<+camerongray> I still remember getting to the top and one foot cramped up so I stood on the other which also got cramp, not fun!
[19:22]<@Mulreay> Never got to the top even as an army cadet http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.go4awalk.com/walkphotographs/robpullan21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.go4awalk.com/userpics/robpullan21.php&h=300&w=400&sz=23&tbnid=oVt7ZphcmDHbUM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&zoom=1&usg=__V0FwgfuDa-yrlcyY-QeeP6Wy8ZM=&docid=BhuNMRXmZUX6iM&sa=X&ei=oSDzUf36D5PB0gXxvYD4DQ&ved=0CEcQ9QEwBA&dur=471
[19:22]<@Mulreay> It hurts like hell
[19:23]<@Mulreay> Takes about 12 hours
[19:24]<+camerongray> Ouch!
[19:24]<+camerongray> I couldn't do that!
[19:24]<@Mulreay> And you're carrying about 18 stone
[19:24]<+camerongray> Jeez!
[19:24]<+camerongray> Thankfully none of that in Scouts
[19:25]<+camerongray> We climbed all the hills in Edinburgh in one day, but that was pretty relaxed
[19:25]<@Mulreay> The English get hard by climbing Scottish and Welsh mountains
[19:27]<@Mulreay> The scottish and the Welsh make the British hard as sin
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[19:29]<@Mulreay> The English just nod and say OK, as you guys give us a mountain to clime.. then you show us how to do it.. then we become the most offective army in the world
[19:34]<@Mulreay> The British rule, kinda
[19:35]<@Mulreay> Scots. England and wales
[19:37]<@Mulreay> OK that was a little ott...
[19:37]<@Mulreay> my bad
[19:40]<Rikai> nou
[19:42]<@Mulreay> nou?
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[19:48]<@Mulreay> wb
[19:48]<@BC_Programming> ty
[19:52]<@Mulreay> One is not long for here.. One needs to trouble others by watching wall-e or monstors inc to pass ones time
[19:52]<@BC_Programming> PUT ON YOUR ODORANT
[19:53]<Rikai> hah
[19:53]<@BC_Programming> I found the actual place, not sure why his email was @mainframeassociates.com but it's here: http://www.concise.ca/index.html
[19:54]<@Mulreay> If one wore there bear headress and only one of a snowy nature.. then I may agree
[19:56]<@Mulreay> The future King George requires that you be bothered.. just like us British
[19:58]<@Mulreay> He's 10 minutes old give the kid credit
[19:59]<@BC_Programming> I'm sure banks would
[20:00]<@Mulreay> I am a 'royalist' to be fair..
[20:02]<@BC_Programming> what does that mean
[20:02]<@Mulreay> royalist?
[20:02]<@BC_Programming> ya.. pro monarchy?
[20:02]<@Mulreay> yes
[20:03]<@BC_Programming> ahh k
[20:04]<@Mulreay> only becauise they create over 1billion pounds in people watching them
[20:06]<@BC_Programming> oooh yeah tourism
[20:06]<@BC_Programming> Queen Elizabeth Bobbleheads
[20:07]<@BC_Programming> I'm sure those exist and now I want one... that is the power of their economic benefit
[20:07]<@BC_Programming> Queen Elizabeth could totally be a Smash Brothers character
[20:08]<@Mulreay> Every one complains 'oh theyb cost us 54million a year. yeah well they make a lot more than that. People travel to Britain not because it's old but there are Queens living in castles.
[20:08]<@BC_Programming> It's brilliant is what it is
[20:10]<@Mulreay> The British Iles is the last basteon of true mediavel castles and fortresses
[20:11]<@BC_Programming> They have longbowmen as their unique unit
[20:12]<@Mulreay> And we have an actual Queen that will kick ten bells of living feck out of you if you push her
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> Not just the UK but also the independent nations that weren't dicks in gaining independence
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> did Canada Dump tea into any Harbours? no, we were far to polite for that
[20:13]<@Mulreay> But we would ask canada to help, and Australia and the rest of the common wealth
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> more like "Say Queen Mum, can we move out, it's quite a bother asking you about our foreign policy"
[20:14]<@BC_Programming> and she was all "yes my bueatiful dove, be free"
[20:14]<@BC_Programming> then Australia got jealous
[20:15]<@Mulreay> People seem to forget the 'common wealth' and what it means
[20:16]<@BC_Programming> it's like the European union but with the badass countries
[20:17]<@Mulreay> heh
[20:17]<@BC_Programming> http://www.international.gc.ca/commonwealth/index.aspx
[20:17]<@Mulreay> Britain has it's fingers in all the pies
[20:18]<@BC_Programming> Commonwealth Games :D I actually have a Victoria '94 Commonwealth games mug
[20:19]<@BC_Programming> I'm tempted but also scared to search for "Queen Mother" on deviantArt
[20:19]<@Mulreay> heh
[20:20]<@BC_Programming> I should make a wallpaper that is as confusing as possible
[20:20]<@Mulreay> The sad thing is when the Queen dies we may lose you and Australia in the commonwealth
[20:20]<@BC_Programming> like Hitler saluting Stalin sitting in a bathtub
[20:20]<@BC_Programming> how do you figure that change
[20:23]<@Mulreay> The Australia primeminister wants to lose the british flag from theres and then remove themselves.. and i heard that your prime minister when the queen dies would want to remove her as head of state as in remove the british influense completely
[20:24]<@Mulreay> It would be sad
[20:24]<@BC_Programming> hmm never heard about those, the first makes sense for the flag, we changed ours after all. It's not unreasonable to want a unique national identity
[20:24]<@BC_Programming> never heard of the latter, can't find anything- maybe just a rumour?
[20:25]<@BC_Programming> I doubt that trashbag will still be PM by then anyway
[20:25]<@Mulreay> Probably just the 'red topd' making trouble
[20:25]<@Mulreay> 'ed tops'
[20:25]<@Mulreay> damn
[20:25]<@Mulreay> 'red tops'
[20:26]<@BC_Programming> well if Australia goes with a new flag it better not suck
[20:26]<@Mulreay> I can't see it happening to be fair..
[20:27]<@BC_Programming> it could be like the Canadian flag, but blue, and instead of a Maple Leaf a silhoette of a Kangaroo
[20:27]<@Mulreay> lol
[20:27]<@BC_Programming> oh wow that rhymed too
[20:29]<@Mulreay> The sad thing for a brit like me is we want you to stay with us but we understand why you may not want too
[20:30]<@BC_Programming> we'd still be allies
[20:30]<@BC_Programming> and I'm sure former commonwealth nations that 'left' on good terms for whatever reason is still better than complaining about stamp taxes and throwing tea into a harbour
[20:32]<@BC_Programming> I'd still be annoyed at that. I mean you don't waste tea like that, it's just not cool
[20:32]<@Mulreay> Yeah, it goes beyond that.. we actually see you as brothers and I know it sounds sad but we all think that way
[20:33]<@BC_Programming> also now I'm wiki-jumping around royal monarch pages
[20:35]<@BC_Programming> 'According to an often-told story, during one of the earliest of the royal couple's repeated encounters with the crowds, a Boer War veteran asked Elizabeth, "Are you Scots or are you English?" She replied, "I am a Canadian!"' haha awesome
[20:36]<@Mulreay> cool
[20:36]<@Mulreay> BC_Programming are you more American or British?
[20:36]<@BC_Programming> how do you mean?
[20:37]<@BC_Programming> well I use UK spellings
[20:37]<@BC_Programming> well usually
[20:37]<@Mulreay> hang on
[20:42]<@Mulreay> You don't have to answer, are you more British in how you speak or how you feel, or more American? If you were given a moment would you say you were more American than British? Do you say colour or color, do you say tomato or tomato'' see what I did there? Last and this is the BIG one.. if you had to be one or the other.. would you be American or British?
[20:42]<@BC_Programming> As much as I'd like to knee-jerk "British" to that, I don't really know
[20:43]<@BC_Programming> Canada has always been something of a mixture culturally; the U.S purposely set out to establish it's own culture, and Canada being so close means we got a lot of the same TV and media and stuff
[20:45]<@Mulreay> And thankfully you got a lot of Britain in your mannerisms
[20:46]<@Mulreay> I would give Canada so much more respect than the US
[20:47]<@Mulreay> Not because of our affiliation but because you're more honest.
[20:48]<@BC_Programming> Ahhh... have to like how the royals stuck around during the Battle of Britian
[20:49]<@Mulreay> We had Churchill we don't need royals
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> well cabinet was all "you guys should hide"
[20:50]<@BC_Programming> and they were all "f you mate we're staying around with our people you wanna fight about it wot?"
[20:50]<@Mulreay> The 'cabinet' was a joke they let us down
[20:51]<@Mulreay> 'Churchill was ' you want a fight, bring it'
[20:51]<@BC_Programming> I wouldn't know... Canada was rather lucky not to have any Home Front during WW2
[20:51]<@Mulreay> You did fight though
[20:51]<@Mulreay> in Afraca I beleave
[20:52]<@BC_Programming> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vimy_Ridge
[20:52]<@Mulreay> looking
[20:54]<@Mulreay> More glory to your people
[20:54]<@BC_Programming> Also Juno Beach on D-Day
[20:55]<@Mulreay> Germany fucked up when the commenwealth went hell to leather on the fukkers
[20:56]<@Mulreay> Britain defeated them at the 'battle of britain' and we ripped them apart in Africa
[20:57]<@BC_Programming> doesn't look like Canada was involved in the African Campaigns... we weren't invited and didn't want to intrude I guess
[20:57]<@Mulreay> Don't mess with the commonwealth
[20:58]<@Mulreay> Everyone played there part
[20:59]<@Mulreay> mericans turned up 3 years late but 'thanks for trying'
[20:59]<@Mulreay> Amwericans*
[21:00]<@Mulreay> Wow I can't spell
[21:00]<@BC_Programming> I still think they played a critical role. If only to renew hope for what probably felt like a war that would never end
[21:01]<@BC_Programming> Got Japan to surrender as well
[21:02]<@BC_Programming> Canada was also in the 'failed D-Day' Dieppe Raid of 1942
[21:10]<@Mulreay> For me they won the war as in they throw enough people at it to win. There was no way out for Germany.. the British had already ended the attacks on british soil. The Americans then decided to flex there mucsles when they dropped two bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki. It ended the war yes and as 250,000 people were dieing a year you could argue that it ended the war 2 years early but... over
[21:10]<@Mulreay> 250,000 died in an instant and the rest died of diseases later including cancer. We still don't know the full impact of this attack on Japenese soil.
[21:11]<@BC_Programming> now t obe fair also it was sanctioned by all Allied Powers, it wasn't an independent thing done by the US
[21:12]<@Mulreay> They have a LOT to answer for
[21:12]<@BC_Programming> in what respect?
[21:13]<@Mulreay> It was America that ordered the stricke nobody else.. they wanted a test and they gog two
[21:15]<@BC_Programming> Potsdam was signed by Churchill
[21:16]<@Mulreay> No no, you can't be the 'ruler of the world' and then back out out of your actions
[21:17]<@Mulreay> America created the cold war by being the only contry ever to use nuclear warheads
[21:17]<@Mulreay> country*
[21:18]<@Mulreay> That's why Britain has 200 or so warheads.. they created this 'cold war'
[21:20]<@Mulreay> America created this problem nobody else
[21:20]<@BC_Programming> the USSR refusing the join the united nations, the clash between Churchill and Josef over Post-war controls in Eastern Europe at the Tehran Conference were equally contributory
[21:21]<@Mulreay> The USSR never bombed two cities!
[21:21]<@BC_Programming> Not to mention The USSR still remembered British and US efforts to squash the Russian Revolution
[21:21]<@BC_Programming> That was outliend in teh Potsdam declaration
[21:21]<@BC_Programming> signed by Churchill
[21:22]<@BC_Programming> All the major allied powers had to agree for the order to go forward. If the UK didn't want to have the bombs dropped they could have refused to provide their support; but they provided it, just as they supported the manhattan project
[21:23]<@Mulreay> When the US bombed to cities with nukes the worl shat it shelf simple. If they can do it to Japan they can do it to us.. The US caused this
[21:23]<@BC_Programming> If anything it was post-war testing such as that at the Bikini Atolls that prompted the Iron Curtain
[21:24]<@BC_Programming> The U.S didn't bomb the cities in a vagabond move; they did it with the FULL and complete support of all allied powers
[21:25]<@Mulreay> Only 2 nukes have EVER been used in agression.. ALL my America the most powerful country on the planet.. do you notv get that?
[21:26]<Rikai> scared?
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> So, you're basically saying that because the U.S is the only country that was willing to actually drop the bombs, suddenly all the other countries that provided their political, financial, and scientific support to the program are magically absolved from any perception of wrongdoing
[21:28]<@Mulreay> How could I possibly be saying all that?7
[21:29]<Rikai> <@Mulreay> Only 2 nukes have EVER been used in agression.. ALL my America the most powerful country on the planet.. do you notv get that?
[21:29]<@BC_Programming> You keep repeating that only the US has things to "answer for" in this context
[21:29]<Rikai> That seems to say that since America dropped the bombs, its all America's fault.
[21:29]<Rikai> Mulreay
[21:29]<Rikai> do you speak german? or japanese?
[21:29]<@BC_Programming> That's exactly what it says, and is exactly what he's been saying
[21:30]<@Mulreay> Rikai sorry I didn't realise you were in this convorsation, feel free to jump in
[21:30]<Rikai> Oh, thanks. I was going to anyway
[21:30]<Rikai> seeing as how its about a country I live in
[21:31]<@BC_Programming> Rikai: where's that?
[21:31]<@Mulreay> and?
[21:31]<Rikai> BC_Programming: the US
[21:31]<@BC_Programming> oh
[21:31]<Rikai> now
[21:31]<Rikai> I admit, the targets the US chose were a low blow.
[21:31]<Rikai> Japan attacked our military strongpoint, we went after their civilians.
[21:31]<Rikai> That, I believe, was wrong.
[21:32]<@BC_Programming> Rikai: the Allies issued a Potsdam Declaration
[21:32]<Rikai> yes.
[21:32]<@BC_Programming> to Japan... that basically said exactly what they would do... refusal to accept the terms of surrender would result in the complete and utter destruction of Japan
[21:32]<Rikai> I know
[21:32]<Rikai> I've taken world history
[21:32]<Rikai> it did mention WWII a bit
[21:33]<@Mulreay> it?
[21:33]<Rikai> the class
[21:33]<@BC_Programming> Our disagreement (me and Mulreay) seems to be on the responsibility aspect and surrounding stuff
[21:33]<@Mulreay> agreed
[21:33]<Rikai> I believe that if you allow it to happen, you
[21:33]<Rikai> are just as guilty.
[21:34]<Rikai> so if the responsibility falls on the US, then it also falls on those that knew of the weapon and allowed it to be used
[21:34]<Rikai> but that's just my opinion
[21:34]<@BC_Programming> I'm of the mind that while the U.S is the country that dropped the bomb, every other Allied nation dedicated research time, finances, etc. and so forth and was fully behind the programme, so I think saying that the U.S is fully responsible just because they happened to be the ones dropping it might be a bit of a simplification
[21:34]<Rikai> yes
[21:35]<Rikai> there was no way the US would have developed it as quickly, without support from other countries
[21:36]<@Mulreay> So lets blame Eistein
[21:36]<@Mulreay> Einstein*
[21:36]<Rikai> why blame just one?
[21:37]<@BC_Programming> There is no one person that can be blamed or that can accept blame, it's just the same extreme
[21:37]<Rikai> Mulreay, BC_Programming, where are you guys from?
[21:38]<@Mulreay> Why not I'm from Manchester UK
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> My take is that, it's war... There is no rationalization for most of the actions taken during a war particularly of that scale. There are so many extranational interactions, incidents, events, etc, and there is of course the objectification of your enemy which is of course something that both sides will do and did in that case, which contributes to what we might look to assign blame on in
[21:39]<@BC_Programming> the future
[21:40]<@BC_Programming> but at the same time it's impossible to know exactly how the world stage of World War II would have played out if the Bombs had not been dropped
[21:40]<@Mulreay> Indeed
[21:42]<@BC_Programming> Even so, I think we can consider the post-war nuclear testing as definitely being uncouth and unnecessary, and possibly helping to raise the Iron curtain and start the Cold War period
[21:56]<@Mulreay> Age is just a number. A number that indicates your proximity to death.
[21:57]<@BC_Programming> Mulreay: you ever used "SpaceEngine"?
[21:57]<@Mulreay> nope
[21:57]<@BC_Programming> It's like a universe simulator, pretty epic
[21:58]<@Mulreay> looking